live baiting help

just wanna add my little bit. most of my pike recently have come to lives fished free roaming (well a bit of encouragement to go somewhere sometimes) on a size 2 single hook and hooked through the top lip between a foot and 3 foot deep as i find they like to come up from underneath to ambush, this is why an uptrace comes in handy cos they often push the bait up towards the surface and your float or if not the bait tends to head that way anyway to confuse the pike by breaking the surface (ive got a float full of teeth holes from it)
as for the sunken patternoster i like to use that rig on fast flowing rivers when a bait gets pulled through to fast on a float.
i wouldnt use goldfish, i always catch bait when im there. i find dace work the best for me as they are tough so they last ages and they struggle lots to get to the bottom and kick out loads of those distressed fish signals unlike some fish like rudd that give up way too easily and mayaswell be a dead bait after a few mins
just my opinion on the matter and im not trying to discredit anyone elses advice this is just what works for me

i prefer perch for lives.they chug on and on.

mate...

Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

Woodchucker wrote:Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

thats the way i alluded to earlier, its not for me as id sooner have the extra movement afforded by the copter style one it also for me works better with boobies etc than the treble tied method

see the sense if the fish dies though never thought of it that way though. think ill be trying that for deads in the near future

I am sure Kev put a post up with a picture, I will try dig it out

Here you go John, simple but deadly

please always remember the uptrace...my mate jon the knob head...he could'nt be bothered putting one together & lost a fish that bit through cause of his laziness.also that fish would have chomped down the trace...he was suitably bollcked when we saw what he'd done...the knob head.

An uptrace is needed for EVERY livebait rig, again I think that its important to be shown how and why these rigs go together in the way they do, livebaiting is a devastating method but can be death rig for pike if not setup correctly.

Woodchucker wrote:An uptrace is needed for EVERY livebait rig, again I think that its important to be shown how and why these rigs go together in the way they do, livebaiting is a devastating method but can be death rig for pike if not setup correctly.

also one should be used on drifter rigs when using deads on a shallow drop.May seem a bit ott but i've seen pike swipe at deads knocking baits up in the water.I do use very long trace to over come this (upto 3') but those new to piking using ready mades shop boughts should use a uptrace.

Woodchucker wrote:Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

iv tryed that one but it dont let the bait fish mve around much so i think im gunna try the copter stile

russ91 wrote:

Woodchucker wrote:Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

iv tryed that one but it dont let the bait fish mve around much so i think im gunna try the copter stile

Thats the whole idea, the fish struggles more because its fixed in place, and cannot fall unaturally when or if it dies which gives better presentation

russ91 wrote:

Woodchucker wrote:Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

iv tryed that one but it dont let the bait fish mve around much so i think im gunna try the copter stile

cant beleive im doing this

get hold of the fox heli set ups make life really eaasy using these i used to faff about with bits of tubing glue and beads

one of the few fox products that work well out of the packet

iv got some and made some up traces up

now all you need are some boobies
fantastic rattles for pat rigs just clip one to your hook trace and let it slide about if it does if its fixed dont worry it will still work but the movement enhances the presentation for my money

iv got some of them in my catfish tackle box so im all sorted realy :sunny:

and i bet you bought the catfish pro ones didnt you
and for how much

yep and iv got prologic rattle beeds

russ91 wrote:yep and iv got prologic rattle beeds

never seen or heard of those, mind you prologic is a newcomer to me ive a bag by em that ive had for a few seasons and one of the free stylers in koi pattern
love the bag not sure about the lure yet

there like a glow in the dark beed that rattles

noodle wrote:

russ91 wrote:

Woodchucker wrote:Until I went down and fished with Kev (Tackle Tart) I had always used th sunken patonoster as shown in the drawing on the first page but Kev does it a great way that stops tangles when casting. Connect the weak link and the lead to the eye of the first treble on the trace, it not only stops tangles but it also keeps the fish upright when or if it dies I used it over xmas and found it to be a an amazing fish catcher But I would reccomend watching somebody else setting up before you try it for yourself as the dropoff indicator must be set perfectly

iv tryed that one but it dont let the bait fish mve around much so i think im gunna try the copter stile

cant beleive im doing this

get hold of the fox heli set ups make life really eaasy using these i used to faff about with bits of tubing glue and beads

one of the few fox products that work well out of the packet

some interesting stuff on the pro logic side

smile blades
props
and the rattle beads

http://www.prologicfishing.com/productBig.asp?id=204

will be looking for a shop with em in now some uses for trolling baits methinks

joel wrote:

Woodchucker wrote:An uptrace is needed for EVERY livebait rig, again I think that its important to be shown how and why these rigs go together in the way they do, livebaiting is a devastating method but can be death rig for pike if not setup correctly.

also one should be used on drifter rigs when using deads on a shallow drop.May seem a bit ott but i've seen pike swipe at deads knocking baits up in the water.I do use very long trace to over come this (upto 3') but those new to piking using ready mades shop boughts should use a uptrace.

thats something ive been playing about with, just using a longer trace with the float on that rather than an uptrace to get away from having that extra snap link and swivel, my theory is the less links and stuff in your rig the less there is to go wrong.

As long as you have enough weight to keep the bait down then a 3-4ft trace should be fine, I tend to place my rod high in the air when free roving so the line does not stop the bait from roving