live baiting help

i want to try live baiting soon can any one give me any tips on how to do so iv done it once before but not had any successes any help would be apresheated

one word mate... goldfish single treble through the tail about 18" to 3ftfrom the float, depending where your fishing and what the depths of the water is.........

russ91 wrote:i want to try live baiting soon can any one give me any tips on how to do so iv done it once before but not had any successes any help would be apresheated

Can I start off by saying live baiting is good but I am very funny about it the fish has to come from the water your fishing as this can spread disease and Roach are the no one culprit from spreading disease.

will did out some rigs and post them up but woody and Noodle are your men for this

NIDGE MAC wrote:one word mate... goldfish single treble through the tail about 18" to 3ftfrom the float, depending where your fishing and what the depths of the water is.........

Is taht legal nidge

billy barbel wrote:

NIDGE MAC wrote:one word mate... goldfish single treble through the tail about 18" to 3ftfrom the float, depending where your fishing and what the depths of the water is.........

Is taht legal nidge

lets just say the place i am going to be fish is ileagul to fish so not to fused

this is the only one i use but as i say pike are not No.1 on my hit list

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hooklinks.co.uk/pike/images/trotlb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hooklinks.co.uk/pike/rigs/trot1.html&usg=__AdSDvkqE3cL18Gu_SKTfBdB4guU=&h=578&w=400&sz=30&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=Iqpr4j9vuM3P6M:&tbnh=134&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlive%2Bbait%2Brig%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26cr%3DcountryUK%257CcountryGB%26sa%3DN



i always have the uptrace on it as with live baits you can get bitten off

Stotty wrote:

russ91 wrote:i want to try live baiting soon can any one give me any tips on how to do so iv done it once before but not had any successes any help would be apresheated

Can I start off by saying live baiting is good but I am very funny about it the fish has to come from the water your fishing as this can spread disease and Roach are the no one culprit from spreading disease.

will did out some rigs and post them up but woody and Noodle are your men for this

cheers stotty that will be much apresheated

russ91 wrote:i want to try live baiting soon can any one give me any tips on how to do so iv done it once before but not had any successes any help would be apresheated

deadliest method is a roving livebait.. http://www.hooklinks.co.uk/pike/navigation2/pikeframe.html look at the rigs & it'll show you a free roving rig...don't get many big hogs on this method,but plenty of fish.

Thats very similar to my chub trotting rig bit heavier of course

i was thinking of useing a sunken float patanoster rig on the alarms

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billy barbel wrote:

NIDGE MAC wrote:one word mate... goldfish single treble through the tail about 18" to 3ftfrom the float, depending where your fishing and what the depths of the water is.........

Is taht legal nidge

ok lads be very carefull here

ornamental goldfish and other coloured aquarium species from garden centres and pet shops for use as live bait face prosecution and fines of up to £2,500 by violating fishery bylaws that outlaw movements of all live fish to angling venues without the appropriate Environment Agency licence.


http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/sport/angling/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=SportAngling&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=SportAngling&itemid=NOED22%20Oct%202008%2010%3A23%3A59%3A257

bloody hell stotty...that pics copyrighted init....quick i'll make a scene to distract anyone looking in.you delete it.

will post the link up

Stotty wrote:

billy barbel wrote:

NIDGE MAC wrote:one word mate... goldfish single treble through the tail about 18" to 3ftfrom the float, depending where your fishing and what the depths of the water is.........

Is taht legal nidge

ok lads be very carefull here

ornamental goldfish and other coloured aquarium species from garden centres and pet shops for use as live bait face prosecution and fines of up to £2,500 by violating fishery bylaws that outlaw movements of all live fish to angling venues without the appropriate Environment Agency licence.


http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/sport/angling/story.aspx?
brand=EDPOnline&category=SportAngling&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=SportAngling&itemid=NOED22%20Oct%202008%2010%3A23%3A59%3A257

I KNOW READ ENGLISH, ONLY POLSKI......

Stotty wrote: will post the link up

pheww...had a similar run in on breakinsurface

Free roving livebait for me, deadly, but never take your eye off the float for a second

think im gunna give the sunken float patanoster rig a go soon

joel wrote:

Stotty wrote: will post the link up

pheww...had a similar run in on breakinsurface

Good job you distracted them don’t think any one noticed

Stotty wrote:

russ91 wrote:i want to try live baiting soon can any one give me any tips on how to do so iv done it once before but not had any successes any help would be apresheated

Can I start off by saying live baiting is good but I am very funny about it the fish has to come from the water your fishing as this can spread disease and Roach are the no one culprit from spreading disease.

will did out some rigs and post them up but woody and Noodle are your men for this

only just seen this sorry

for live baiting as simple as it gets is free roaming with a single hook use something substantil hook wise like a 2-1/0 and think along the lines of super specialist's aberdeens etc my choice fo the majority of this is the cox and rawle uptide hook
make sure your float is large enough for the bait AND weight and that your line floats lip balm or vaseline will do
on your trace (make it long for this 20-22 inches is ok) set the weight about 1/3 of the way up the trace from the bait ssg's are good for this if you dont want to spend money on the overpriced fox weights

paternostered baits come in two main varieties with lote of variations on the themes
standard float pat comprises of a float (use a dumpy inline sea float or spend some money on sunk floats tbh the poly balls from model shops work with a tube through em well enough) then tie on an uptrace 18 inch longor so then off this you have your hook trace i favour short ones of 6 inches or less an fished helicopter style (least tangly of em all bar one system which uses one trace all the way through, and the bomb link tied to the up treble on the trace but his restricts the movement a bit too much for my liking) then off the bottom of the uptrace run your lead link which needs to be lighter than your mainline and tie a rough granny knot just above the lead, this knot will help the lead break free and give you a near as dammit identical presentation when retied for a couple of break offs.

then there is the cd or colin dyson rig which looks odd when you see it a t 1st as the float is below the bait when its veiwed from the rod tip end and rather than trying to explain this google it and look, it is usefull to hold fish against drop offs etc and offers less resistance than the sunkfloat pat method above and pictured on a different post above (id use a shorter hook trace than the one pictured to keep the tangles down)

thirdly the ledgered livebait again an uptrac is needed i tie mine with size 12 (i think certainly small ones) power swivels at the mainline end and a normal swivel with a hard bead at the trace end as long as a roberts or equivalent run ring will pass over the smaller swivel with ease it is ok if it sticks when you pull it along a floor dont use it.
the hook trace on this can be a little longer with a polyball popper etc on it to lift the bait from the bottom and keep it moving

right also is a drifter set up but thats similar to the free roaming one

i would use the free roaming set up to cover an area of water to about 25 yards
the float pat is usefull to anchor a bait near a feature
the ledgered version for me is best used in shallow water where floats may be a problem say less than four feet deep and where there is no weed or bottom debris to foul the run ring
baitwise all of the above will work with baits from 4-9 inches in length comfortably provided you use the appropriate float weight combo

some of the rigs are on the PAC website and some can be found in fox guide to pike fishing if i could draw id put em up but as i cant youll have to wait for photos and my bait gear is buried at the minute sorry

thank you Noodle

Top write up John

cheers mate

he the man

CD rig
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/Rig-Section/Pike-Rigs/sunken_paternoster_rig.html

simple float pat set up
http://www.pacgb.co.uk/tips/pat.html

cant find a digram of the ledgerd livebait rig but im sure its in the fox guide if anyone has a copy