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Re: Lures and stuff

Post by chief on Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:53 am

jerks and glides are the same thing mate i think glide is the american term for what we call a jerkbait.

basically jerkbaits have no action of thier own so i you straight retreve them they will just com in like a bit of wood.
your freestlyer is a small jerkbait.

crankbaits have thier own action on a straight retreve due to the vein and will dive down deeper as you reel faster, you can still jerk them to give them a disstressed look. also used for trawling.
your super shad raps are cranks

then you have spoons, spinners, surface lures, spinnerbaits, soft plastics and buzzers.

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i leave that lot to the lads Wink
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Post by chief on Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:03 am

cheers for that noodle,

it turns out that was the one i was watching, didnt realise it was foe 5 lol

just a word on hooks and splitrings which are not included. and recomendations?

also there are some others i like in his other items but they have no final coat of epoxy. is this a hard thing to do and again what product do you think is best to use.


more questions for you mate sorry
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Post by noodle on Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:09 pm

ace lures for years didnt come with an epoxy coat just something like shellac its why a few of mine get resprayed on a regular basis

hooks a good starting point would be eagle claw 774, or 374's but there are lots to choose from and i use a good few different ones

jerk baits come in two (basic) guises glide baits which work side to side and pull baits which work up and down

bit busy at the mo so ill elaborate later unless someone like woody does in the meantime
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Post by healdy on Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:23 pm

I cant wait for the further info noodle / woody

however i cant help but think for the smaller venues - especially the canals a micro jerkbait set up would tick all my boxes.

Would that be a fair compromise - if so what set up would i need?

Could i cope with the mick brown spin stick and fixed spool reel or should i bite the bullet and buy a jerk bait rod and maybe even a multiplier?

Would a light jerk rod do the trick or would my current set up cope with some of the smaller chico stuff

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Post by noodle on Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:34 pm

actually if you go to page one of this thread its covered the pull baits glide bait thing king

i thought id done it somewhere recently
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Post by healdy on Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:38 pm

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read all your stuff 3 times today - lots to take in - any advice on the rod and reel combo - can i make do - or do i need to spend?


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Post by noodle on Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:42 pm

make do with what?

jerk rods and reels need not cost teh earth you dont need loomis rods and lunas

i use nash and shimano rods the nash 66, and 70 both cost less than 40 quid and the shimano beastmaster cost 48 if memory serves me well

reel wise its penn shimano and quantum the dearest being the penn (940) which i bought years ago for sea fishing and bass in particular

what are you on at the mo?
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Post by healdy on Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:05 pm

Dont forget i am a carper who has just started dabbling with the toothy things


I have a mick brown spin stick and i am using a fixed spool reel loaded with 50lb power pro

i believe that the rod is too soft / tippy for the jerkbaits


My question was if i step down my lure size 4 - 5 inch will i get away with this set up - or should i sell this and buy something made for the job.


As a seasoned lure angler - is my fondness for jerks a good thing or as i learn will i use the crankbaits and other lures as much as these.

I said earlier that during my first trip with woody i felt more of an empathy [spelling] for the jerks rather than the straight retrieve lures - rapala super shad etc


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Post by noodle on Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:24 pm

what will the spin stick throw weight wise?

by all means use smaller jerks on that set up but i think you may struggle with it due to the rod reel combo hindering your ability to work the lures

cranks are great dont forget about them some of the better ones have been going for years grandmas bombers etc,

dont think crankbait think
minnowbait (bomber long a) pikies etc
flat sided ones things like shallow raider jakes grandmas lots of body roll and flash from the sides
alpahbet plugs (ok not all true alphabets but the idea is there) ernies cordell big o's are highly rated but ive never owned one

all have uses that complement jerks and there is a fair bit of crossover, i would never leave the house to go lure fishing without a magnum long a from bomber and it casts on every jerk set up i own

going down one route will cost you fish in the long run see what woody says over my less than enthusiastic veiws on replicants and spinnerbaits

now what to do for my money id keep the combo you have and buy a relativly cheap jerk set up something like a second hand abu 5601 or shimano corsair/corvauls for around 30-50 quid
rod wise im sure berkely are doing some for the 30 quid mark and having had a wiggle it feels like it could be good for lighter jerks say 3-4 ounces at the higher end

ebay can be good here but watch the postage costs on rods
other than that try sites like pike and predators the lure angler society etc and see what crops up
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Post by healdy on Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:40 pm

spinstick - 70g rating


So keep that for the smaller lures with the fixed spool


What do you think of this offer;

I've got a Nash 6' jerkbait rod which has only been used once. Although not a Lumby rod he had input in their design and are surprisingly good. I've also got a Shimano Cardiff 401 left-hand wind muliplier loaded with 80lb powerpro braid. Been used about 5 times or so (possibly less actually!) I still have the original box, instructions and all the bits. The Cardiff is comparable to the Abu 6501 C3. Main differences are that it is slightly wider, it is more reliable and it has a thumb-bar release. I haven't thought about it closely but I'd probably be looking in the region of 100 for the lot.


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Post by noodle on Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:57 pm

decent ish price which nash is it the lower the number 70,66,60 the shorter (the numbes refer to feet in feet and inches 66= six foot six and that i think was the only two piece model the 70 (7 feet) i sone piece and the lightest rod in the range 3 ounce its the maximum comfort weight on it its at its best around 1.5-2 ounces)

the reel will be fine the cardiff is a higher spec than mine andis rated by a good few anglers who i tend to listen to when they say something.

one thing thumb bars are not everyones cup of tea with lots prefering the release out of the wa of the spool imeasy either way but for speed prefer the thumb bar style and for hefty stuff the side plate release

just noticed its the nash 60 which will cast just about any lure you want to(and the lmby bit is true he did have some input into the design something along the lines of take a few incehs of it and itll be right)

downside to the nash rods now the handles are slimmer than a few lure rods have and i break the eyes on them for fun (well the original ones but apparentlly thats just me being heavy handed and dropping rods Innocent Whistle

all in all a very good set up and one id certainly use
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Post by healdy on Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:06 pm

Thanks noodle


I will send the guy a pm


Apologies now if i repeat myself and ask either repeat questions or any that seem silly.

I am an experienced angler - but not this part of the game - also sometimes go on here after a few sherbets Innocent Whistle late at night

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Post by chief on Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:21 pm

hi noodle,

just going back to your point on the thumb switch, i've just picked up an abu 6501 for my jerkbait fishing which i beleive has a side switch. i have only used thumb switches before. can you go into a bit more detail on this
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Post by noodle on Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:37 pm

the thumb bar covers part of the spool an dcan be in the way when moving the rod around playing a fish, as a consequence it is easier to disengage teh spool than it is with the spool release on the side plate

the flip side i find them easier to cast with quickly, thats on left hand wind reels on right hand wind i have to use the release thats on the side plate as i catch thumb bars a lot when holding the rod and reel in my left hand.

i swap between the two depending on what im casting
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Post by chief on Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:00 pm

well as i said i've always used the thumb bar type, woodys cardiff has one and my small abu does. but the 6501 i have got coming has the side switch. i suppose i'll just have to see how i go with it but they are a popular reel for jerkbaits so must be ok.

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