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Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 4:02 pm

Right guys i was having a think of a way to produce a type of shocker rig of my own further adding to marks post. I am a big fan of the korda safezone leaders now and as leadcore is banned on most waters i would try adapt a leader into the rig all critisism and questions are welcomed on this.

here is a picture of the components needed to make this rig



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1x korda safezone leader
1x fox carp safety sleeve
2x esp quick links
1x 3oz lead

first of all cut off the swivell from the safe zone leader and attach an esp quick link



then using a baiting needle thread on the carp safety sleeve



once attached get the 2nd quick link and attach it to the other part of the safety sleeve.

slide a small section of silicone tubing over the swivell on the lead and attach to the quick link



slide the tubing up over the quick link to help disguise the swivel and link.

once done slide this down over your leader and down onto the male end.

attach your hair to the quick link and there you have it. once completed it should look something like this



I feel with this set up fished on a slack line will give devastating results and also maximum hooking potential.

i have just recently started fishing slack lines but i also like the idea of the tungsten on the safezone leader will aid in keeping all end tackle fully pinned to the deck.

Any comments are greatly welcomed.

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by tootall on Mon May 31, 2010 4:33 pm

My concern would be that the lead will not discard properly and the leader will be left trailing when snagged.

As i understand it from the pics/description:

If the lead got stuck in weed/rocks etc the weak spot becomes the knot tying your leader to the mainline, therefore if that snaps the lead may well drop off but the fish will still be left with the leader trailing.

Unless i've misunderstood how the lead drops off (and forgive me if i have), i personally wouldn't want to use it...
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by tootall on Mon May 31, 2010 4:36 pm

PS i use a similar running rig for piking but there is a weak link between the running ring and the lead (either a weak mono section or paperclip that unbends easily).
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 4:45 pm

the lead pushes on to the safety sleeve both components are are made of rubber and once the fish has bolted the lead parts from the clip staying firmly against the lake bed and the fish just takes line through the lead directly to the hooklength should any component fail the lead is free from the rig and is 100% safe for the carp where as the usual safety clips if not fished correctly can be potential death rigs. thank you for your comments as im sure others would have similar questions i dont think i was quite clear about this in my description.
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dando on Mon May 31, 2010 4:48 pm

Looks more like a heli rig than a shock rig mate

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 4:49 pm

i think it is how i have taken the picture mate 2 mins i will take another one
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 4:52 pm

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 4:53 pm

hope this helps
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dando on Mon May 31, 2010 4:55 pm

Dave The Rave wrote:i think it is how i have taken the picture mate 2 mins i will take another one

no mate it's me i haven't looked at the end pic propperly

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Mon May 31, 2010 5:24 pm

hope it makes sense now Wink
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Post by sardarel on Mon May 31, 2010 6:37 pm

OK interesting..

the whole element of the shocker rig is that there is direct weight from the lead to "nail" the hook and upon bolt the lead runs away from the hook so the carp cant shake it.. there for in line leads are used...

you have the links, running rig clip etc to distract from the initial "shock" and will give more opportunity for the eject...

what was the reason for the clip ...? as in essence this is a simple running rig...

but do love the thought that has gone into it...

try looking at playing with the rig... trying different lengths of shrink tubing to extend the gape and allow for more grip with barbless hooks etc..

when slack lining remember this is only best a mid to short range and the simple running rig or the shocker rig are so well used...

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by tootall on Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:31 am

Oh i see Dave - apologies mate Wink
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Dave The Rave on Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:51 am

The carp safety. Sleeve that is on there has a male and a female end on and the female end pushes onto the male with a little tag on the male end to help aid in the bolt effect when the carp takes the hook it takes a good shake to free the lead which inturn is the bolting effect by then the lead is sat on the bed and the carp will be stripping line from your reel without feeling the weight of the lead. Does this make sence?
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by mark on Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:25 am

i think its pretty good mate and its not much different to a rig i adapted from my shocker rig. i wanted a set up for fishing over weed and silt. so i made a chod rig into a shocker/ running rig. it looks just like yours(with a few differences) and i even caught a tench on it. the bite was like a carp run n it did work effectivly but when i used it on another water along side the shocker rig i didn't get a take on it (well non registered) but the shocker rod i had 4-5 runs on it. they were both fished on the same spot so i thought i should have at least had a take on it.
the thing with your and my choddy shocker rig is there is there is alot of movement that needs to be taken up before it bolts. where as an inline its instant. its pretty good though dave n it would suite soft bottoms more than hard where the lead can sink down in the silt and leave your mainline and hook length sat ontop. i'll get a picture of my chody shocker up when i get time to show you that. i was going to a few week back but i'm not 100% on it myself yet
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Post by Dando on Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:52 am

Yeah Dave a shocker rig normally has a stopper bead some way up the leader so when the lead fly's back it stops at the bead which then sinks the hook.

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Post by Stotty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:53 am

You could make it a lot safer by using rig tube that way if you get snapped off the fish would not be towing a heavy leader around and the lead would just come free. Would be quite a safe rig then.

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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by mark on Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:22 am

the picture is out of focus but its the best i can do.

its pretty much a patternoster really. the lead is tied to some line which is then tied to a ring swivel.
thering swivel is slid down the leader/mainline
i then slide a rig sleeve on after atatch a quiclink
atatch your hooklength to the quicklink and slide the sleeve over the quicklink
then slide the ring swivel onto the rig sleeve

with this set up ican fish in soft silt or ontop of blanket weed and still use a slack line. i know somw don't like slacklines or have even tried em but since i've used them i have gone off tight lines completly. so much so i have now made my method feeder into a shocker rig set ups. as i just didn't want to use them any more on a tight line. this also got me thinking about the choddy rig. its a good rig and its got its time n place to be used. now i can fish them on a slack line i will use em when i feel it will improove my chances
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by Stotty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:07 am

Fox do it as a kit with the lead core Dave



there about £5 for 3

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Post by Dave The Rave on Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:58 am

I think you are misenterpreting how this works, I will try explain to see if can help to understand it. Here goes..... The carp safety sleeve has a male and a female part. The male component is attached to the leader and the female component is attached to the lead, when u push the female end onto the male end it clicks into place so in this position this is a bolt rig. When the carp picks up the bait it bolts against the lead giving the bolt effect with a tug against the lead the male and femail connectors will part leaving the lead on the lake bed with the mainline running through the female part of the clip thus being now a running rig, hope tgis makes sense when I get home I will take some more pics to demonstrate how this works.
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Post by Dave The Rave on Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:03 am

My aim was to avoid using leadcore as it is banned on pretty much most waters.
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Post by mark on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:01 pm

i understand it completly mate. it starts off a bolt rig, then you get a run and it becomes free running making it hard for a fish to use the lead as leverage.
i think your rig would be more effective on soft bottoms where the lead will be in the silt. if its on a hard bottom there will be a few inch of free movement giving the fish chance to detect it and spit the hook before it bolts itself. that will always be the case when using swivel leads but on the flip side swivel leads cast better and tangle less than inlines. so its a case of horses for corses and using each lead arrangement when the situation suites best.
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Re: A rig i thought up

Post by NIDGE MAC on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:06 pm

idea ideas are there to make you stand a better chance davey boy, give it a go and ajust it to suit,
like most of the comments already stated, it does have a look of a bolt rig/heli rig but don,t take offence at any comments we make we are here to help if we can.... Superman
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Post by Stotty on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:09 pm

Dave The Rave wrote:My aim was to avoid using leadcore as it is banned on pretty much most waters.

Spot on Dave thatís why I said try it with tube as a leader is just the same as lead core when it comes down to it if your main line snaps its no different to towing around a lump of lead core. Wink

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Post by mark on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:24 pm

up untill recently i've always been against leaders of any kind but these days i fail to see the difference between a leader and 15lb+ mainline. if a fish was trailing 6ft of 15lb line and it got tangled in a snag i doubt it could break it free and if it did manage to it would still damage itself very badly when you consider the force it takes to snap 15lb line
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Post by Dave The Rave on Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:30 pm

no offence taken at all the reason i put it up was to get comments like these to get other comments and opinions of others and maybe help a few other ppl alog the way i will be giving this a try on my next outing Wink
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