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Braid - Why not ?

Post by Fenman2 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:10 pm

geek I've been looking around at some sites for commercial waters and I've yet to find one that allows braid Question Question . This doesn't make sense to me, surely braid is the safer and so more fish friendly option Question Any views or opinions would be gratefully recieved as I'm really mistyfied by this

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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by billy barbel on Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:26 pm

i can only think that some anglers dont know how to treat braid properly in respect to knotting etc and if it gets loose and snags on something it could cause a lot of damage to fish, perhaps with this in mind (and the price of carp) fishery owners would rather not take the chance???
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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by longshot on Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:27 am

This has been debated on other sites many times, and as yet I dont think there's been a concensus of opinion. The one concern that seems to come up is the "cheese wire " effect. where scales can be lifted when a carp turns and the braid rubs across the body of the fish. But i would imagine this happens with mono just as easily.
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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by Stotty on Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:44 am

This is a huge debate there are several reasons

Braided lines are being banned at some fisheries and club waters because of their misuse by some anglers. (we have a ban on it on our club for carp fishing) Because of the thinner diameter of braid some anglers are using upwards of 60 lb+ bs line in an attempt to drag Carp out of weed and snags that should not be fished this then can result in

ripped faces

Tethered fish

and even can cut fish open if they role on it


But in Its defense I got the rules changed this year to allow it for pike fishing as I think it itís the opposite,
It set hooks better you get the fish in quicker (this is better all round for the Pike) Mick Brown even brought this up at a talk he did a few years back.


It is also Especially good for lure angling and i would not have any thing other on my marker rods for feature finding. Another plus and great advantage of braid though is probably the fact that due to its almost stretchless properties, it has no memory and therefore doesnít seem to suffer from line twist

Since changing over to braid for my pike fishing 3 years ago it made a great difference to my pike fishing and i'm still on the same braid so its not as bad as you first think when you look at the cost.

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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by NIDGE MAC on Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:04 am

The Braid Knot
This special fishing knot has been proven to be one of the best for use with braided lines.






1. Run Double loop through eye of hook or lure or swivel
2. Loop around end of line and standing part of braided line 8 times. Thread double loop back between the eye and coils.
3. Tighten knot with a steady, even motion without hesitation. Trim double loop and end of braided line leaving about 1/4".
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Post by sardarel on Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:34 am

nice work NIDGE

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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by Fenman2 on Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:54 am

geek Yep...thanks for that nidge...a nice easy knot to tie

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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by noodle on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:24 am

stotty over the 60lb bit, its no different to 18lb mono would the club ban heavy mono for the same reasons?

ive always gone heavy with line i could never see the point of fishing light even distance stuff saw me going no lighter than 10lb
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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by Stotty on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:31 am

noodle wrote:stotty over the 60lb bit, its no different to 18lb mono would the club ban heavy mono for the same reasons?

ive always gone heavy with line i could never see the point of fishing light even distance stuff saw me going no lighter than 10lb


Like you I fish a bit over gunned for the job but some of the rigs I have collected on work parties are nasty not good for carp at all. But I have got braid reinstated for pike fishing on our lakes.

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Post by noodle on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:34 am

could that not be more or the instnt carper brigade though?
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Re: Braid - Why not ?

Post by Stotty on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:39 am

noodle wrote:could that not be more or the instnt carper brigade though?


The lake I fish not a lot of people fish for pike as it happens so better for my self.

I just donít know it could be the old stick the spod rod out at night trick I just donít know to be honest.

It still gob smacks me this day and age with all the advice on TV, magazines, the net that we still have s**t like this.

Wouldnít mind but itís a club and the fish go up to 40lb in there (carp that is)

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Post by noodle on Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:51 am

you should see some of the crap i see where i fish (lake district and welsh glacials)

people using 6lb braid through boulders the size of minis, hire boats with people using the kids sets and no wire...

i came to blows with a bloke a few years ago on coniston he wasusing 6lb mono and had lost 12 pike through his line parting, i offered him 15lb sensor. he replied nah mate they are only pike.

the worst bit though he had four fmj's out with lc baitrunners delks net mat etc

work that one out

sadly its not that uncommon from what i see that the worse thing for pike a carp anglers who think they know that light lines are better, as pike dont fight that hard

lately im getting very despodant about fishing things like this are starting to make me think why even bother going out
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Post by Stotty on Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:01 am

noodle wrote:you should see some of the crap i see where i fish (lake district and welsh glacials)

people using 6lb braid through boulders the size of minis, hire boats with people using the kids sets and no wire...

i came to blows with a bloke a few years ago on coniston he wasusing 6lb mono and had lost 12 pike through his line parting, i offered him 15lb sensor. he replied nah mate they are only pike.

the worst bit though he had four fmj's out with lc baitrunners delks net mat etc

work that one out

sadly its not that uncommon from what i see that the worse thing for pike a carp anglers who think they know that light lines are better, as pike dont fight that hard

lately im getting very despodant about fishing things like this are starting to make me think why even bother going out


was with you up will then mate sounds a right Nod lol! lol!

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Post by noodle on Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:08 am

nevilles or gardners then?

mind you im still on special compacts, and super xls
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Post by Stotty on Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:14 am

noodle wrote:nevilles or gardners then?

mind you im still on special compacts, and super xls


nothing wrong with them mate loved my Nevilles if they made the remote ones they do now would have got them years ago.

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