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Post by billy barbel on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:29 pm

scratch ok lure chuckers i had a go with the salmos the other day and what struck me was the size of the fookin hooks on the lures, so my question is this ..... do i flatten the barbs or keep them. scratch
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Post by ryan on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:33 pm

i crush 2 barbs and leave one barbed i fully de barbed a few of my good lures and found that i was getting bumped off all the time with salmos and braid chances are it will be hooked in the lip if you keep in contact with your lure Twisted Evil
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by billy barbel on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:36 pm

Cheers ryan been selling these lures for months and never tried them they look awesome in the water, i currently de barb two of the barbs when im dead baiting so i will carry that over to the lures. Cheers
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Post by ryan on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:41 pm

i like the slider in hot perch i think its called can be used on a straight retreive or banged down with a pause works for me Twisted Evil
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by billy barbel on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:44 pm

yeah it comes in real hot perch and tinsel town also they used to do one called real roach. i have the tinsel town one looks cracking when tugged down then floating back up through the water.
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Post by ryan on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:46 pm

also one thing to be carefull of is netting pike with jerkbaits if you use a carp net and they roll it can take ages to get them out with the large hooks i use a large mesh net to prevent this as it can be fatal for he pike Wink
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by noodle on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:50 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

leave the barbs on, by all means reduce the barbs to a degree with a file but dont remove them as it can make it a nightmare trying to get the hooks out especially on smaller fish

with barbless lures i found very early on that the hooks can and will pop out and re-hook again or fully penetrate bits of the jaw and then re-hook else where. so far it hasnt happend to me again since throwing the barbless hooks around 6 years ago

if any of the more experienced lure anglers out there could point a wat for me to avoid that im all ears
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by ryan on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:55 pm

i see what your saying but i feel when a jerk bait hooks with two points that are barbed it can take a fair bit off pressure to get them out since debarbing unhooking has been a lot kinder on the pike and ill chance loosing the odd fish for that each to there own i guess
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Post by Woodchucker on Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:59 pm

All good advice there Ryan, I leave all my hooks barbed and I still loose the odd fish, to be fair I probably kill about one pike a year due to damaging the gills, which is not bad when you think of the amount of pike I catch on lures, much less than 1% Wink

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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by billy barbel on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:00 pm

i see both points do you think that barbless hooks can actually cause more damage than good then, i have heard a few carp guys say they wont use barbless hooks because they move around in the carps mouth and cause damage that way.
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by NIDGE MAC on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:01 pm

both for me..........
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Post by russ91 on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:06 pm

i personaly do what ryan dose. and with then rose ing in the net yes remembet when we had to reck your old net ryan t get the lure out :evil:
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Post by ryan on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:09 pm

yup its some thing a lot of people dont think off using big hooks Twisted Evil
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by russ91 on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:22 pm

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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by Stotty on Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:32 pm

Barbed on my lures semi barbed on my dead bait rigs but I like barbed hooks for my carp fishing there is prose and cons to it all but I know barded donít move about so much

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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by -<Chris>- on Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:30 am

Barbed for everything for me , hook goes in and stays in end off.
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by joel on Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:41 pm

always debarb lures.especially jerks.the only time i leave barbs on is when i'm using ultra lites.seen to many pike with bad damage from barbed hooks.
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by -<Chris>- on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:49 am

You not find that any hooks outside the fish's mouth just move around stabbing the poor fellow as they go Joel ?
1 day on menteith was enough to put me off barbless for life , i felt like a weedgie chav stabbin the poor jacks in the face numerous times as the barbless hook just stabbed,pulled out,stabbed,pulled out as jacks thrashed at boatside Sad
The way pike fight with short sharp head shakes ,big jumps on occasion and generally going ballistic means chances are even if all hooks are with its mouth there gonna move around in there cuasing more unessary harm imo.
Far as unhookin goes be prepared to chomp hooks and there no harder than barbless. I chomped 2 hooks last week on 2 x 3lb jacks whats 20p thou ?
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by nixon on Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:57 am

Most of my larger lures now have the barbs flattened slightly, Infact one of my salmo's had to be made totally barbless as the hits I was getting were so ferocious it would have been crazy and unsafe to leave any barb on them.
On one session in the lakes,I managed 4 fish out the very same snag on the same salmo. At the distance I was casting I was mistaken for thinking I had pulled throught a patch of weed as it just went dead,but once on the bank, the lure had been taken right into the pikes mouth, this was a 12cm slider, so not small by any means,and with barbs this would have been a tricky unhooking.
Horses for courses though,but fish safety is paramount Wink
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by -<Chris>- on Sat Mar 28, 2009 6:31 am

A 12cm slider is a small lure m8 when the likes off 3ft long magdawgs can get inhaled totally by a mid double thou im still waiting on the pounder getting totally gubbed :D (need fish loch ness for this id reckon)
Them medium sized sliders tbh can be bit awkward at times to remove as i found fish take em across the body lots thus get em jammed across there mouths , been there done it wore the t-shirt , out come the knippex and all is good again :D (sz1 vmc 9649BZ or 9649RD if ya want fancy red is replacement hooks for em btw)
As i said before unhooking isnt a problem if you aint afraid to cut up hooks/traces/nets , one top tip is chomp the splitring as getting the lure body outta the pikes mouth can make for much easier hook removal and a splitring is cheaper to replace , just have them bolt cutters ready to go at any time is the key.
Them 12cm sliders dont half catch fish thou :D my old roach and firetiger uns are well mullard , waded in a few years back for me roach un when i cracked it off on the UL rod :D trout love it too had many a broonie skelped ze old roachy one , had some total lumps on em too pike wise. One thing wid em thou is check the splitrings as some are known to be dodgy and go easy on bigfish wid em as i found out one day while lampin some serious pressure into a big dub as it went airbourne and totally straightend the hook doh! (hvy lure rod,hvy braid,and one dumb angler = lost fish :D lesson learnt thou )
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Re: Lures barbed or barbless

Post by nixon on Sat Mar 28, 2009 7:30 am

For the venues I tend to fish the Roach slider is second to none, as I always fish from the bank, massive dawgs really aint a suitable choice for my situation. In fact the biggest or heaviest lure I'd use in normal situation is the belly buster,and even that one will stay relatively shallow,and most the fish caught on it are just under the surface with a real slow retrieve.
I really need to make a proper effort this summer to get out with the lure rod Yup
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Post by Stotty on Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:52 am

nixon wrote:For the venues I tend to fish the Roach slider is second to none, as I always fish from the bank, massive dawgs really aint a suitable choice for my situation. In fact the biggest or heaviest lure I'd use in normal situation is the belly buster,and even that one will stay relatively shallow,and most the fish caught on it are just under the surface with a real slow retrieve.
I really need to make a proper effort this summer to get out with the lure rod Yup


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Post by -<Chris>- on Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:53 am

nixon wrote:For the venues I tend to fish the Roach slider is second to none, as I always fish from the bank, massive dawgs really aint a suitable choice for my situation. In fact the biggest or heaviest lure I'd use in normal situation is the belly buster,and even that one will stay relatively shallow,and most the fish caught on it are just under the surface with a real slow retrieve.
I really need to make a proper effort this summer to get out with the lure rod Yup


You work teh belly buster (strike pro un?) with the rod tip upwards ? I found if ya just catch it right with the rod upwards ya can make em glide a fair old bit and just break surface , deadly for jacks again and the occasionally big dub Wink
Allso remember dawgs can be re-rigged to be bank fishin friendly and 95% snag free :)

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Post by Stotty on Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:24 am

-- wrote:
nixon wrote:For the venues I tend to fish the Roach slider is second to none, as I always fish from the bank, massive dawgs really aint a suitable choice for my situation. In fact the biggest or heaviest lure I'd use in normal situation is the belly buster,and even that one will stay relatively shallow,and most the fish caught on it are just under the surface with a real slow retrieve.
I really need to make a proper effort this summer to get out with the lure rod Yup


You work teh belly buster (strike pro un?) with the rod tip upwards ? I found if ya just catch it right with the rod upwards ya can make em glide a fair old bit and just break surface , deadly for jacks again and the occasionally big dub Wink
Allso remember dawgs can be re-rigged to be bank fishin friendly and 95% snag free :)

Chuck some old spinner blades on the bottom hangers.

i like it Wink

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